These Entrepreneurs are Building the Next 3D Printing Empire

In this podcast, I talk with Christian LaRosa and Austin Thurman, the co-founders of Rosotics Corporation. I saw an interesting dynamic between them and thought that they were a fascinating story to cover. What they do is not only interesting but is also incredibly inspiring given the complexity of the tasks they’ve chosen to undertake.

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(00:03) but at some point you got to leap over the edge and discover the unknown as you're falling off the cliff without creativity and a a high tolerance of risk and failure we're never going to actually emerge as a unique player in the market offering something that's going to change the world. Today I'm joined by Christian LaRosa and Austin Thurman the two founders of Rosotics. Rosotics is a metal additive manufacturing startup based in Mesa Arizona although may not be a household name yet it very well could be in the future because

(00:34) their novel technology is redefining how manufacturing is conducted some of their target markets include air sea and defense and they are about to print some of the world's largest metal structures ever seen before we talk about how engineering, creativity, design, business operations, and general leadership all come together in one to form a great business. Hope you enjoy. How did you guys meet what was the moment where you guys realized you guys have a connection in some form or or another so this was around 2019

(01:13) maybe I think that might have been my sophomore year of my undergrad in in aerospace engineering and at the time there was um an an AI Club at ASU Arizona State where they had invited me to come speak about this idea that I was just forming it was after when I was you know packing up my laptop packing everything up when someone who was sitting there in the audience had come up and said hey man that was you know a really good talk that you you gave there's someone I think you should talk to someone you should meet and I

(01:53) was like oh who is it thinking it's you know some Professor or some AI name who's studying or teaching at the school he set up behind the scenes kind of the First Communication to Austin and I think I think you could take it from there yeah so from there um I got a text from my friend John that there's this rocket guy kind of this psycho dude talking about at the time you know drones and 3D printing and all this random stuff and he said I had to meet him so to me I'm at the time going into school studying finance and I never woke

(02:28) up in the morning thinking I want to go build Rockets um and work in deep Tech or anything like that but um I knew that there was something ahead of me from this text that I got that was worth pursuing so I remember I was supposed to meet Christian at like 6:30 on a Friday and I was coming from Scottsdale I was running very late and so once I got to school I started sprinting from the parking garage and I had to get to Hidden Library which was probably a mile from where I was and I was really sweaty I texted a friend to meet me down outside

(02:57) of my dorm so I could grab a nice shirt so I could go and have a good good little meeting and so by the time I got there um I I did all that work I ran for so long and Christian wasn't even there yet so it was kind of funny it was uh I didn't really need to work that hard to get there but once he did arrive and once we talked it was really an incredible experience because I think above anything else it was the passion and the conviction from which Christian spoke that really sparked my interest and sometimes people

(03:24) ask me hey like how do you find a co-founder um did you go to a networking event did you interview somebody like how does that work and for me it was just from day one I met with someone who was very passionate about what they were working on and I just immediately wanted to join that mission we didn't even formalize a work agreement or anything like that until years down the road and I think that's a really good sign of you know a partnership especially in the early stages of a company is just the desire to do something more together and

(03:56) you know figure out the the you know technicality of that later and so really it felt like from day one we just started working and never looked back and then here we are years later after raising you know lots of money and and building our first products and it's been a fun Journey but it all started from just you know a good connection and it's been a good relationship to this point for the average college student I would say the traditional path is to you know once you're done with high school

(04:21) get your bachelor's degree then either continue your school onward or seek employment was it ever in your guys's mind whether growing up high school during college that you would take an alternative route more so during startup and seek entrepreneurship or did that manifest once you guys came together there there is this misconception that I was kind of like on the track towards this you know natural entrepreneur the reality is there is no real such thing as a natural entrepreneur an entrepreneur is someone who

(04:56) is in in my opinion made um crafted by the environment around them and one of the biggest traits of that that I've noticed is um an indicator of someone who is going to do something um quite different is the tolerance for pain I never wanted particularly to be an entrepreneur and I was never this Stellar kind of student per se I was studying a hard field um but I actually after the first semester of my freshman year um you know out of high school I actually left I dropped out and that was one of the most

(05:41) transformational decisions I think I've ever made I went to live overseas in Italy in the north of Italy to teach English and I was there for about 6 months and then kind of it was this other chance encounter I was back in my hometown in in Florida I'm just driving down the highway and I got a call from ASU because I guess it was that time of the year they're going down the list and they said hey if you're uh interested in coming back you know we have a program called quick re-entry where you you can go back and

(06:21) pick up where you left off my friend I was sitting next to me at the time probably thought I was out of my out of my mind but I was like yeah sure why not and that's the reason I came back to Arizona and picked up and then following that it was the next three years going into the end of my senior year um just before graduation a semester out um where I dropped out for the second time because that was right when our first round of V of VC hit yeah and on on my side I never had the thought in my head that I'd be an

(06:55) entrepreneur in fact I was 99% sure I was going to go to University of Washington to study to become a doctor my motivation growing up um with a brother who has Duan muscular distrophy was that I would go be a doctor and study to make a impact to his disease um and improve that cause and I remember there was this day uh my dad was a great businessman in the liquor distribution world and he had a bunch of people over one day and I remember very vividly watching him talk to this room of maybe 30 or 50 people and the moment he

(07:32) started talking everybody looked and everybody listened was just waiting to see what what was he going to say next or what was the punchline and that kind of stood out to me because it was the first time I really ever even considered the idea of doing something in business because I watched I wondered maybe I could have an effect on people like that and actually maybe I could do something in business and you know develop something to a point where I can have an indirect impact on my brother's disease and create foundations and um donate

(08:00) lots of money to the cause or make the drug more accessible to more people um and so that is still very deep rooted in my mission but I realized I think there was a way I was better suited to undertake it and it wasn't going to be um studying medicine and so I very quickly I think at the last possible moment decided to stay in state go to Arizona State and study Finance which then within a month and a half I met Christian so it's funny how things like that work out and can change very quickly and I too like Christian never

(08:32) planned to be an entrepreneur I think a lot of my lifestyle and things I was involved with growing up had a big effect that kind of gave me the framework as a person to step into that role well but I had no other prior experience running a company or anything really business related besides a couple internships um so Chris and I've have together gotten to know what it means to be an entrepreneur which yes involves lots of pain and um I think both both of our um tolerances for pain have have had to expand quite a bit in the past couple

(09:05) years so through learning more about yourself more about how you work with each other as you learn more about you know the business that you're going into a lot of entrepreneurs and early business owners question whether they are able to operate individually or if they should partner up to my understanding it it seems like your guys's Dynamic is Christian you a lot of the leadership and Visionary um roles that the CEO carries along with engineering and Innovation whereas Austin you come into the picture

(09:42) and bring an understanding of business operations with regards to finance and organization what would you say to the young business owners out there the people still in college yet to graduate um or those not in college um aspiring to run a business um if some should somebody partner or not yeah yeah this is a really important Point um sometimes you hear the phrase of you know find someone that is not 1 plus 1 equal 2 but find someone that's 1 plus 1 equals 10 or someone that you can really scale together and and grow up as people

(10:15) together and I think one of the first things that stuck out to me about Christian when we met was that we were extremely different some people think to start a business they got to find someone who's perfectly like them they get along with super well in every single way they can agree on every decision together that's actually just a big Pitfall um it's actually funny I think every major decision that Krishna I have come across we've started on the opposite sides of the spectrum for the way to kind of solve that and together

(10:43) we end up working out to find what really is the best solution and so Christian and I we think very differently we interact with people very differently and I think that's super important right because it creates kind of two sides of the same coin that I think have led us operate the business in a way that has been exceptional I mean I couldn't do the things that Christian can in the same way he can do the things that I can and I think for any young entrepreneur they have to realize that they do have strengths but

(11:09) they also have weaknesses and if they can find someone who's very good at their weaknesses um then you kind of have the right footing for growing a business from day one in a way that is not just going to be linear but that could actually be exponential yeah I think on that point um an important point to mention is that this is a very popular thing entrepreneurship is um hailed as kind of a a kind of flashy thing um you know after influencer and YouTuber um everyone sees people like Elon Musk Mark Zuckerberg and they often

(11:52) attempt to kind of replicate what has worked in the past for um those specific cases the reality I had to learn very soon which I think is a pitfall for many um trying to trying to do something um something revolutionary is that the reality is that there is no one who can advise you on how to build um what's called a unicorn um a unicorn is defined by Venture capitalists as a privately held company that is not publicly traded on the stock markets valued at over1 billion right now the number of unicorns in the world is not high it is very very

(12:39) difficult to do out of every startup that you've heard of out of every successful one unsuccessful um most of them the vast majority are not even unicorns this is an incredibly rare phenomenon and because of that Rarity many who are trying to begin something think that oh I can go to a mentor or I can go to a adviser the reality is there is no one who can advise you on how to do this the the road that we took personally the road that led me to here as well is a road marked with enormous enormous sacrifice and

(13:30) gambles and risks that were 90% going to fail um as Austin mentioned sometimes that means um not logical um bets that you're taking I like to call them um at least internally Sam decisions those are stubborn as a mule and I call them those because they are where you are the only person in a room of 20 plus um even arguing on one side versus the other there are there are times in life where the things that excite you are not random and you need to listen to that within the business as you guys collaborate um you know the purpose of a

(14:18) business is to create products and services that a market wants that they're willing to pay a fair value for that we would like to see bring a greater change the world um how do you guys address the idea of having a product Market fit what type of initiative do you want to have on the world and starting with that could you explain project uh honeycomb so project honeycom is buried deep in the rostic lore as it's so-called yeah this is like a hot ones question you went deep for this so basically the beginning of all of

(14:57) this we had an idea 3D printing as it currently stands is very centralized that is you have a printer per se with a head that deposits material honeycomb was basically the idea of inverting that rather than printing from one point source you do it from many collaboratively this is a phenomenon known as swarm manufacturing the only people um really looking at that at the time were University professors Labs nothing commercial so we thought what if you were to take for example a drone or a swarm of drones that each

(15:45) carry a small quantity of material and collaboratively manufacture um in open air upon that realization we took the the core principles of honeycomb which is multi-point Source Printing and package that into a fixed system and that system traces um the system we're working on today traces its Heritage back to Honeycomb um it is a system that prints from multiple points at the same time simultaneously and as well the kind of elephant in the room fig figuratively speaking as well is scale honeycomb is beneficial um it

(16:33) really was for one reason in particular and that is you're detaching the limitation of the size of your printer from the size of what you can print with it if you have an aerial system for example really the sky is the limit assuming the system works and the fixed platform could not sacrifice that so how do you do that without taking the printer airborne and the answer was you print from multiple points as the airborn system was but also you're able to move those points over great distance the system we announced last

(17:16) year it is the largest metal 3D printer in the world by capability that is commercially available as well and that is for a very particular reason we are you're taking the mission of expanding 3D printing into areas of Industry where it could never touch in the past I'll say Point Blank we will never um undertake the markets of printing parts or components or little prototypes of flanges or valves we print the structures that no other system is able to print those are um in Aerospace for example the Dome structures of the first and second

(18:01) stage tanks as well as the tanks themselves the fairings the inner stage we've looked into engine Bells as well and very very tantalizing to me is um some of the work we're going to be doing shortly in in Naval and Maritime yeah just to expand on that a little bit further too what there was a key inflection point that kind of transitioned us from honeycomb to what rtics is known for today and it was actually a chance meeting we got with Jim Cantrell down in Tucson who's the co-founder of SpaceX um I'll

(18:36) save the story of how it happened but it like it was just ridiculous that we even got the meeting so many things had to just perfectly happen and so we went down there and our our goal was just to share with him what we're doing right I think that's an important principle of of pitching anything it should just you should just be excited about sharing something and and hope that other people are too and when we went down there we talked to him for probably half hour straight just about what we're working

(19:00) on and the first thing he says is which was shocking to us but he goes you know when you guys first walked in here and started talking about 3D printing I was I was pretty upset and we were like oh great you know this has gone phenomenal and then he goes but the way in which you guys are doing this is far different here's why I hate 3D printing and he gave us this kind of introduction into what One customer but this is rippled through the economy of many customers but from his perspective what he hated was that he

(19:34) bought a 3D printer one time and it was basically an infrastructure investment he had to give a huge portion of his Factory up he had to get a link to the power grid to fire up this laser that they were printing from which is already a ton of money and then once they actually printed something they had to spend you know close to a million in total just getting heat out of the system out of the system it was just a mess um it was something that nobody wants to touch nobody wants to use and this is a really big problem especially

(20:02) when you're trying to print parts that are large when you want to print structures and so what he said is the process you guys are actually developing would eliminate all those things if you as you just showed me get this to the market quickly you know and um that was really important for us to hear that was really the first yes that we ever received from somebody and it it gave us a lot of validation the direction of uh the print head we were developing um and we wanted to be able to make that more accessible and like Christian said

(20:32) productize that print head capability and so that's what kind of cemented us from honeycomb to robotics today in the printers that you see us kind of develop and um that's just I mean there's so many angles to which a you know everyone has different definitions of large scale as Christian likes to say but for us it's it's really anything larger than a refrigerator we want to um bring access to the large metal market and I think providing capabilities of print in that way can accelerate the timeline of of

(21:04) Rocket development you know vastly beyond what it's capable of today like for example um one of our customers were talking about a simple Dome structure for one of their launch Vehicles would take a year for them to even receive an entire year and if everything else the rocket was done they still have to wait an entire year um to be able to even test if that rocket works and in the direction that the space economy is going if you can only launch your first rocket in a year from now and SpaceX is 10 Xing 100 Xing over the years no one's

(21:35) ever going to be able to compete in the space market and so it's really important that the small players have the ability to really rapidly scale their production efforts and their testing efforts which is really the key defining factor of additive manufacturing as a whole but it's just never been available to people wanting large metal structures and so that's where we step into the market and that's what we want to provide let kind of leap frog off that real quick I think there's kind of a a a

(22:02) misconception as well as to launch as an industry and we have to learn this very well um in order to serve these clients the reality is also that SpaceX is going to radically redefine the boundaries of access to orbit and Beyond orbit when Starship is operational shortly you're going to drop essentially the costs per kilo to low earth um roughly um one or more orders of magnitude with that um impact of Starship coming operational what is going to happen actually is um the Falcon 9 the vehicle we all know that

(22:43) lifts astronauts to the ISS today that vehicle is going to um be retired very soon um probably within the next few years meaning there is going to be a very interesting hole in the market market for small to medium lift payloads that um may need a more dedicated orbit a specific inclination or a polar orbit for example um I've kind of spoken with Chris Kemp of asra with um the guys at relativity and some of the SpaceX guys and the interesting thing is there is still a a very serious opportunity in launch to fill that Gap

(23:27) the Falcon 9 currently occupies and I think there are going to be players emerging like the relativities like the rocket Labs that are going to fill that Gap but what is missing is also that very very very high frequency of dedicated orbit that is a space that does need to be developed still and part of what we are working to help enable some of those those Mavs I'm working on absolutely so you guys not only have the ideas but you're launching prototypes you're doing a lot lot of tests you have a lot of people on board helping out to

(24:02) facilitate this whole process where does you know where does creativity fall in line with this because Christian you're coming at this with a deep technical knowledge of engineering and those processes and Austin you're coming at this from you know the the operational mindset where does where does you know the Deep technical uh operations merge with the creativity because you know even just recently this summer I found out about the power of induction I was I was traveling and it took me probably 20 minutes to learn how to use a stove God

(24:42) why is this not heating up and I turn like the max thing and I'm touching it like what's going on but to my understanding when it was um project honeycomb era um you know the the big problem was there's no way the FAA is going to let us launch these drones that can print by using lasers or plasma but maybe we can use induction so if that's constraint how did you guys approach that creatively yeah so yeah when it comes to Honeycomb these were the first kind of ideas we began to form and we knew um

(25:20) I'm actually an FAA Li license drone pilot as well and I knew there were things that could fly and definitely could not fly um laser plasma um a powder a powderized metal is is quite dangerous in and of itself would never fly so what happened was and this is kind of the story of the beginning of of the induction approach we knew that something something different was going to be necessary at least for honeycomb and looking I I kind of spent a summer of My Life um just uncovering every Rock every stone everything I could find until I came

(26:03) across a um kind of electric approach that some lab had been doing in academic research and they kind of circuited the print bed and then the metal sitting on it that's being printed and used that to spark an arc between to melt and liquefy the material and I got a hold of them and this is this is one of the uh the the power stories I like to say of how we became what we are I got a hold of this uh group that was working on that and you know this academic research team I was like this could be something here that

(26:47) you guys have found um can I learn more and this was one of the defining moments of my life I was told and I remember this to the day I remember this word for word I was told they would not so much as take a call with me unless it was to the tune of $100,000 and so I looked at how a a different way of doing it still electrically but a different way of doing that process altogether could be made and I found rapid induction Printing and the namesake the acronym also came from rest in peace because I don't believe any any any entrepreneur anyone

(27:34) even who is working to further an industry should be treated in that manner and that forms part of the ethical basis that I live upon yeah and that that move away from the laser does enable scale I mean the the laser itself just offers so many issues I think people turn a blind eye to because of the promises it has of accuracy and precision so the reason why moving away from a laser was important for us because it it allowed for multiple things on one hand back to project honeycomb what was true is that couldn't put a laser in the air

(28:10) what's also true is that for a large scale system we didn't want that to be boxed right we've already talked about earlier the size of the printer was the limitation what you could do we don't want a box and so if you take out the box then you have just a laser in open air well that's not safe either so doesn't matter if it's in the air if it's on the ground that is just a huge safety hazard using a laser the next problem was just the actual energy use lasers are inherently very inefficient

(28:40) and for these kind of larger structures that people have been trying to print it's almost the difference of of hooking up to the power grid to get to use that that's infrastructure that's not a product that's not easy to implement and when we move to induction we can literally power our system using five to six light bulbs worth of wattage it's that different it's just our whole system plugs into a basic 240 volt outlet that pretty much any facility is going to have and so that's a big deal when it comes to

(29:11) offering scale um in a way that's actually easy to implement and also to go back a little bit to talking about creativity it is the basis of everything that we do um everyone talks about core values for some people it's just a poster on the wall but for us with every angle of any decision for every High whatever it is creativity has to flow out from just someone's innate curiosity and that curiosity is absolutely essential because we are doing a novel technology and there are some historical things you

(29:44) can look to and some research that's helpful but at some point you got to leap over the edge and discover the unknown as you're falling off the cliff and without creativity and a a high tolerance of risk and failure we're never going to actually emerge as a unique player in the market offering something that's going to change the world and so um creativity and curiosity fuel every bit of the technical operation from the person that walks in the room to the decisions we have to make so there's a lot of lot of complex ideas

(30:17) for for the the common person which I consider myself to be in this in this context um how how could the common person you know swallow this what what difference is this going to make at scale for the day-to-day person one of the quotes that I kind of really internalize um from some of the work I've done before any of this as well um is is jpl's motto which is to DARE Mighty things it is far greater to try and succeed or fail than to not try at all and the mighty thing that we believe had to be done was no industry should be locked out

(31:02) from Innovation you know in 3D printing we all know the small to medium scale has exploded you know it's highly commercialized now you've got any one of two three dozen 3D printers you can order on Amazon um in metal it's a bit tighter um you got to go to some specific groups like uh um mark forge or desktop metal or even some other Niche names but beyond that it gets a lot more Niche when you grow scale the options fall down to half a dozen and then to three and then maybe one or two um for kind of

(31:46) context in Naval the application we're undertaking now for a world record attempt um the largest 3D printed object of any kind um will be a submarine hole printed over at Falcon Field Airport and for that application I was quite surprised to learn as well that it's not just that it's rare that there is metal 3D printing capability at that size it's that it is almost non-existent right now we are the only group in the United States with that capability to 3D print that kind of an object in the material that we're

(32:26) seeking to do it and I want you to think about that for a minute I'm 25 Austin's 23 um some members of our team are even a little younger than that the fact that that is the state of certain areas of these markets and that we may actually be the only ones working in that application I think is telling we need to um we if if it was not us I working in Industry um would be up every night I would be wired knowing that if we weren't doing this it simply would not exist there would be nobody printing um those

(33:23) parts of of submarines or Rockets or anything of that for that matter yeah and a little bit more on the common person too Christian kind of touched on it that we are so young and um there's some V visibility that comes with that and what's important to us is just the the idea that people are much more capable than they think and you know not just to consume but to produce and to build and to create something and even like you had a hand in that too when you shot a video for us you were part of the creation and the building of that you

(33:57) know and and we get a lot of comments from people just in Mesa Arizona who are saying hey I heard about you guys on the news like this is crazy that this isn't our backyard and it's just that those little bits of inspiration that begin to spread around um we hope that it makes people begin to wonder for themselves you know if we at Falcon Field Airport Mesa are building what we believe is the best way to build can that person experience a little bit of that in their life as well and maybe it's not you know taking on

(34:27) the world's largest metal 3D printers but everyone's got something that they they want to build um something that's in their head that they've maybe put off for their whole life it could be a kid starting a company or it could be someone who's 50 and just wants to you know mess with their hands a little bit and build something but that image and and showing that we are capable of doing more than we believe and and Rising above ourselves even you know we are so young um and to have that kind of

(34:53) support and build that inspiration is very important to us and we we care a lot about um the effect that we can have on the community in that way yeah people people really need to know that um things even this difficult I mean we we work at the outer limits of what what what can occur in Material Science at thousands of degrees Celsius um and that's before we even mention the rocket part or um anything else people really need to know that these ult things can you you can do this like one of the moments that really um

(35:33) burned itself into my memory that I never forgot was when we were moving into our hangers over at Falcon and we were setting up the um first prototype of our printer which is quite a large machine it's it's as tall as maybe two or three of me standing on each other's shoulders and we were having these it guys coming in and wiring some stuff up doing some stuff to the building and one of them had brought his daughter in to work for the day I guess and I just thought for a minute this is a rare thing you know this is not

(36:16) something normal that we're working on and those are the moments at least for me that you can often remember for the rest of your life um so I actually took the contractors over I let her open the the big hanger Door giant thing lift off the ground and then you see all the Jets outside and the guy afterward he came to me and said I I know what you're doing and she's never going to forget that and I think those opportunities are there a lot more than than meets the eye even with people who are um older you know

(36:58) one of our one of our guys um brilliant he is one of the brightest people I've ever met before this um he'd been looking for something really good to sink his teeth into and he didn't know just how good he was and when you see that kind of awaken inside of a person you know that they are never going to look at themselves the same way again and that's personally the most satisfying thing in my mind of the last several years seeing seeing happen in front of you I'd like to zoom out and broaden the scope um there's the idea

(37:44) that whether it's in a decade or generation that new technologies emerge and that there's deep infrastructure laid out so that the next generation is afforded the next step of evolution you could say that you know from the Agricultural Revolution to Industrial and on more recently and more relevant um I'd say the internet and um instant communication has afforded us modern social media which influences marketing purchasing decisions for consumers how how do you guys approach the rapid change because we've seen Automation and

(38:22) artificial intelligence really hit the software side of of business now I I could see that what Rosado is doing by more or less automating Hardware what do you guys think of for the future where do you think we're going with regards towards our next step in evolution we're moving towards a very um unrecognizable world than science fiction had predicted it is not going to be as simple as say there is a super intelligent AI that we have to worry about or not worry about maybe a golden age it could be um that was I would say

(39:07) pre preg GPT um Assumption of the emergence of AI and and what's called a singularity in my opinion I I think a lot about deep learning and and data mining I believe that the world that we are heading towards is a hyper accelerated World um there's a community uh I subscribe to called EAC this is effective accelerationism um kind of the idea that you have to build you have to create and do it fast in order to um alleviate the problems in the world and we've seen many of them recently um what happened

(39:54) in Ukraine what happened in Israel a world of stability a world of abundance and um personal freedom and liberty is defended by not sitting back and watching the world change around you but protecting the parts that matter and in in my personal opinion I think manufacturing and defense is a very important part of that world and AI is um going to change what that landscape looks like quite a bit Yeah and even to narrow that scope a little bit to just how we approach the day-to-day operations to your point in the internet era we saw software

(40:41) companies and really the sasp as this model absolutely explode and go crazy and um The Motto obviously Facebook is move fast and break things and that's been true for every software company it's about how fast can they iterate how fast can they update and put things out and in as a live service and I think Hardware is starting to wake up to that and so we're trying to adopt as many of those software principles as possible like right now for example the the Apple standard is is one new phone a year

(41:10) obviously they have a lot of different Hardware products but um that's going to have to increase and even as an early stage um company that is is limited in funding Limited in headcount compared to what we will be eventually we still have to adopt that principle it's even into our design CC and even our patent Behavior you know we like we kind of take the philosophy that even the stuff we were working on a month ago is already so outdated and obsolete to what we're doing today um and that's how fast

(41:38) we have to iterate and that's in response to the market that's in response to Ai and all the things happening around us and so that's really important to our today operation and then also um like Christian said not sitting back and and watching but really having a hand in what's going on and so not much I can talk about on here unfortunately but there is a lot that we've thought about in reference to Ai and how that plays into the process of manufacturing down the road and there's some pretty incredible ways that might

(42:09) happen faster than we even anticipate um that we're going to be implementing that um into our our system you know so really have to stay up to date with it and the better we can do that then we will have a hand in what's happening and we won't necessarily be defined by everything else that's happening around us and uh we believe that our vision is important enough to be you know have a really large say in what's going on in the world around us I think that what you guys are doing is very involved with that

(42:44) Evolution and I think that you guys are doing a very interesting thing for people that have a deep understanding of the industry but also to those that are just learning about the industry so I just want to say that I am very uh curious to see what you guys come up with and I anticipate your growth and I want to thank you very much for being here this was awesome sweet yeah man that was great love you reys love you too Christian thanks Reese